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Comment on Root x Squared
In the previous video, it is
This is really an issue about
This is really an issue about notation. So, first of all, √16 does not equal -4. √16 equals 4 only.
From the Official Guide for GMAT Review: A square root of a number n is a number that, when squared, is equal to n. Every positive number n has two square roots, one positive and the other negative, but √n (i.e., the square root NOTATION) denotes the POSITIVE number whose square is n.
For example, √9 denotes 3. The two square roots of 9 are √9 = 3 and –√9 = –3.
Hi,
Does that mean the solution shown in the video is wrong and both the statements are sufficient ?
The solution provided in the
The solution provided in the video is correct. Statement 1 is not sufficient, and statement 2 is sufficient.
It all boils down to notation.
I think the confusion on this
if x^2 = 16, x has two roots: -4 and 4.
However, if it was written √16 in the GMAT, then they are only referring to the POSITIVE root: 4.
Does that makes sense?
This video series is great. I am finding it very helpful. Thank you,
Sugumar
Ah, I see.
Ah, I see.
The "root" of an equation is the same as the solution. So, for example, we might ask "What is the root of the equation 3x = 6?"
Here, the root is x = 2
Likewise, when I say that the equation x² = 16 has two roots (x = -4 and x = 4), I'm referring to the solutions to the equation.
How about the rule that
Not quite.
Not quite.
You're right in that √(x²) = |x|
So, in statement 1, we can replace √(x²) with |x| to get: |x| = 4
Now, if |x| = 4, what is the value of x?
Well, x can have TWO POSSIBLE values. Either x = 4 or x = -4. So, statement 1 is still not sufficient.
Cheers,
Brent
Hi Brent,
thank you for the great tutorial.
But I have one more question: A root can also be written as ^(1/2). So when I rewrite (1), I have the equation x^2^(1/2)=4, which is equal to x=4. How can I figure out the -4 with this approach?
Best
Eric
That approach, although
That approach, although somewhat valid, prevents us from recognizing that, in the original equation, the part INSIDE the root (in statement 1) must be calculated FIRST.
So, if we square either 4 or -4, we get 16, and THEN we find the square root of 16.
Hey. I'm having a hard time
With statement 2, isn't it the same? X could be 2 or it could be - 2. So how is this sufficient, but the first statement isn't? Hmm..
Hi Alovald,
Hi Alovald,
This question tests an important feature of square root notation.
You might want to read some of the discussions above. The basic idea here is that the square root NOTATION (√) directs us to single out the POSITIVE square root of a value.
So, for example, √4 = 2 (not -2)
So, for statement 2, when we reach the conclusion that √x = 2 or √x = -2, we can ELIMINATE the possibility that √x = -2.
Does that help?
Cheers,
Brent
Hi Brent,
firstly - great videos and question sets. With respect to the question posed in the video, if we were to solve it mathematical - wouldn't the following be true?
statement 1:
sqrt (x^2) = 4
this can be re-written as:
(x^2) ^ (1/2) = 4
x^2/2 = 4
x = 4
therefore, we get one value for x. I'm trying to figure out why this is incorrect - can you help please.
Great question!!!
Great question!!!
We must take into consideration that, by performing your simplification, we end up disregarding the fact that, in the ORIGINAL equation, 4² = 16 and (-4)² = 16. In other words, squaring a positive and squaring a negative value both result in a POSITIVE number .
To be 100% safe, we must say that √(x²) = |x| (not just x)
More here: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/59630/square-root-of-a-number-s...
TAKEAWAY: Before simplifying an expression, consider whether there are any ramifications of doing so.
Cheers,
Brent
Thanks for the prompt
Hi Brent! In respect of the
Be careful. That strategy won
Be careful. That strategy won't work in many cases.
EXAMPLE: If we're told that x² = 9, we can't conclude that x = 3
If x² = 9, then EITHER x = 3, since 3² = 9
OR x = -3, since (-3)² = 9
Cheers,
Brent
Hello Brent, All,
The question asks "What is the value of x," but it doesn't clarify whether to 1) give the value of x before the order of operations, or 2) give the value of x during/after the order of operations. The answer given in the video is the correct answer in the paradigm of point #2.
Is this not a valid observation?
However if we use that aforementioned quote from the Official Guide, should we always assume in any GMAT question that the sqrt of any number n will always be positive, even before calculation?
Regards,
Eric
The order of operations is
The order of operations is imposed on us by the notation.
For example, if we must calculate something like √(7²), we must calculate the value of 7² before we can take the square root.
Likewise, if we must calculate something like (√9)², we must calculate the value of √9 before we can square the value.
The same applies to √(x²) and (√x)²
Does that help?
Cheers,
Brent
This question truly throws
Great analysis!
Great analysis!
Hi Brent
I thought it was E
S-2: (√x)² =2²
can I say √x = 2?
if yes then x=+/-some value. I guess +/-1.4.... so two different values
Yes, we can write 4 as 2²,
Yes, we can write 4 as 2², but we should recognize that we can also write 4 as (-2)²
So, it might SEEM like √x = 2 or √x = -2
However, since √x can't be negative, we can eliminate the possibility that √x = -2
This means √x = 2, which means x = 4
Aside: If √x = 2, then x = 4 (not 1.4)
Does that help?
Could you explain this
https://gmatclub.com/forum/if-d-1-2-3-5-7-is-expressed-as-a-terminating-decimal-how-many-nonze-144440.html
Here's my full solution:
Here's my full solution: https://gmatclub.com/forum/if-d-1-2-3-5-7-is-expressed-as-a-terminating-...